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does the air force even know what

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are there facts

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beings that they're hiding from the

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absolutely none of that exist in its

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either way

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respected individuals pilots scientists

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citizens

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like myself have had

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extraordinary sightings

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that are not explained by prosaic

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yet throughout the course of the last

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we've been

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having illusions

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identifying birds and planes

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and although there are

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grifters who take advantage

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of something

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there are sincere human beings with

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now one of the people throughout

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was driven mad by the secrecy

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best scientific researchers in the uap

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that he was driven to suicide

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but he was again driven to suicide and

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revered by the community that even nasa

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to this day

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paperwork

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as guidance into the uap phenomenon

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on february 13 1969

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to the institute of atmospheric physics

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university of arizona

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a summary

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where he speaks with so much conviction

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the faith he had in his work and in his

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and at the end of the program

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what i think is a perfect example

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throughout the course of ufo history as

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far as we know it

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as much as it is a shame

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we can still make a difference

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ufos a challenge to observation by james

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e mcdonald institute of atmospheric

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physics the university of arizona

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summary of address to participants in

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the symposium on

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meteorological observations and

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instrumentation sponsored by the

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american meteorological society and

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other studies washington d.c february 13

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1916. there have been times during the

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past 20 years when reports of ufos in

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our atmosphere have been so numerous as

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to suggest that perhaps we should turn

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the whole business over to our

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colleagues who specialize in air

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pollution cosmic fly ash that

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indefatigable student of scientific

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anomalies charles fort

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whose seemingly absurdity provokes near

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anyone has yet cited the high density of

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the case that our field of atmospheric

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sciences has repeatedly been invoked

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to explain away this persistently

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general area of meteorological optics

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of the above four-sided sources of

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that so many claims that a substantial

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portion of all this nonsense about ufos

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atmospheric phenomena do warrant

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of atmospheric physics in the course of

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all brief description is the magnitude

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unexplained reports from observers whose

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must say to you that i regard the total

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stock of evidence arguing for the

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existence of some entirely real and

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to be so overwhelming in its dimensions

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that we have all managed to go along for

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problem leaves me extremely unhappy

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with the official air force handling of

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its assigned responsibility for keeping

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force public information offices

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the almost wholly unbased notion that

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community turned off lulled congressmen

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despite a continual flow of reports from

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many sources there must not be anything

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air force and the cia know all about the

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ufo problem are aware of their

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extraterrestrial nature but are keeping

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this information from the public and

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from the world at large

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serious ufo investigators

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record in which the main observations

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united states air force to respond to

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these intra-military reports that leads

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well-informed ufo students to

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of years i'm growing steadily more

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convinced that the basic reason for

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failure of the air force to react to the

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hundreds of cases on record at

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lies not in any high-level cover-up but

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in the fact that in virtually every

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told that there's nothing of scientific

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significance

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in an attempt to get some feel for where

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visualize some general

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studying a baffling airborne radar

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and perhaps dimly aware that there have

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been others like it before

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has to make up his mind about whether

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there really could be something in all

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these ufo reports or not

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to have to decide between what some

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pilot reported over castle air force

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base and what some noblest has just told

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the air force about the ufo myth

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might i believe pose a touchy choice for

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save her to take the noblest word forget

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then the general is transferred in a

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matter of months to a different command

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no one ever secures a

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synoptic view

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of the whole problem

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no one ever studies any fraction of the

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that picture has become my

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material on ufos here and abroad has

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me to argue

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cogently that it's the pilot not the

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typical big scientist who had better be

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open-minded judgment suspending

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important scientific problems have been

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grossly misjudged before with almost all

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of the scientific establishment arrayed

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against recognition of some new

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development

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some bother at least some puzzling body

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of evidence that seems to conform so

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poorly to accepted scientific views that

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a majority of scientists feel quite

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comfortable about rejecting it as just

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too

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of course to cite such historical

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situations does not at all prove that we

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face one with respect to ufos

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but i personally believe we do

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and i don't speak as an armchair

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theorizer

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and now we have before us the condon

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report to weigh into the scales along

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with 20 years of related evidence

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a month of study and reading and

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checking of the condom report lies

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behind me as i speak to you

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my assessment of the condom report and

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its strongly negative recommendations

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as to the slight scientific significance

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it appears to be a half million dollars

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the united states people has yet

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received on ufos

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not that it does not have some useful

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sections

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not that i take issue with every case

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analysis in the small sample of about 90

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but taken in total and evaluated by

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rather ordinary criteria of what

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constitutes good scientific

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investigation

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i have to say that it is weak to the

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point of being only slightly superior to

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the years of superficial project blue

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book explanations

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that have so long drawn criticism from

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here however

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the explanations come from a group that

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was supposed to deliver a definitive

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under the misimpression that the condon

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report brings the final answer editors

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by the column yard have nodded solemn

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approval then oh he can forget the whole

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ridiculous ufo business inasmuch as the

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condon project and the academy have

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my advice is

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take a good look at the third of that

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report which actually deals with ufo

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if you are at all aware of the nature of

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the ufo problem you will i believe

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join me in saying that we'd certainly

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better do all we can to make certain

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that this bulky report does not weigh

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very heavily in holding down and

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delaying further progress

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towards clarification of a problem

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crying

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for attention

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from our best scientific talent

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the report is so

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non-representative of what most of us

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would term a high caliber study that i

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would need four or five times

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my available time to spell out even

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its few bright spots

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are lost in the mass tendentious

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argumentation

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in complete case reporting

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the laboring of trivial and obviously

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non-significant cases

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and in its failure to confront more than

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a trifling number of the classic ufo

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so i'm preparing a fairly detailed

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discussion of many specific objections

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and interested

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ams members can write to me for copies

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of the completed critique

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aside from the few examples that i shall

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present in my verbal remarks i think

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your best way of getting a taste of all

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this is to purchase the recently

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published paperback unabridged edition

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of the content of report and study it

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yourself

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examine the type of explanation

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use the trying account for the 520 1950

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sighting by dr seymour hess

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and ask why the april 24th 1949 sighting

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by another of our colleagues cb moore

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note the preposterous attempt to account

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for the continental divide new mexico

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radar visual case of january 26 1953 in

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terms of an hour late slow leaking pivot

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from winslow that gets caught up in the

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oddest mesoscale low in meteorological

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history

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ponder the atmospheric optics in terms

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of which the long famous

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june

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29 1954 boac strata cruiser case

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is purportedly explained and note the

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last desperate suggestion that

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this unusual sighting should therefore

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be assigned to the category of some

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almost certainly natural phenomenon

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which is so rare that it apparently has

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follow that one up

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if you have the patience

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with the next one in the report where a

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large round white object described by

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the f94 crew chasing it as

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larger than any known type of aircraft

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and reported as capable of being able to

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reverse direction almost instantly

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and displaying what the air crew

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described as two windows

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from which emanated a dim reddish light

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is blandly described by the report

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analyst to be

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typical of the description of a

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pivotal balloon

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by those not familiar

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perhaps we should urge congress to cut

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down essays appropriations

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if it has been squandering funds on

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bibles decked out like that one

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and provided

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a power source that can outfly

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many more such examples can be cited

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and so can ridiculously trivial cases

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that do not belong in a study

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publicly

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aimed at accounting for the really

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and a long long list of omitted but

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important cases can be ticked off to

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show that straw men had no place in this

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and finally

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take a good long look at the substantial

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number of cases which despite all of the

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above are left as unexplained in the

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final analysis

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the two best examples of this in the

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report are the lincoln heath england

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case of august 13 1956

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and the b-47 chase of september 19 1957

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but a dozen or so more are scattered

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through the sample

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one has to have independent information

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about the full report information on

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some of the cases to suspect the real

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inexplicability attached

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like beverly massachusetts april 22nd

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1966 for which i have interviewed 10

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witnesses

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but for which only a smattering of the

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most significant interview details are

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a case which is regarded as either weak

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to the point of suspicion

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falcon lake manitoba

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may 20th 1967

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runs down for seven pages

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and five phages are devoted to a hoax

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balloon case in boulder

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it was on april fool's day at 1967.

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or the most impressive portions of such

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complex sightings as joplin missouri

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or milgaville georgia

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october 20th 1967

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are passed over in a mere page or less

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these aspects of the report will of

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course

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pass unnoticed by most scientists not

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already well aware

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of the individual cases

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omission of names dates and locales from

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the bulk of the cases will make it

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difficult for many to carry out

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independent checks

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very

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in my remarks i shall try to summarize

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these and other objections i have to the

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condon report

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i shall try to point out what seems to

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be needed

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the pressing need for instrumental

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observations

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for entirely new types of detectors

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possibly designed to exploit the

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evidence that a broad range of

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electromagnetic disturbances

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i shall emphasize the way in which

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existing sky monitoring systems both

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optical and electromagnetic

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have filter factors built into them in

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such a manner as to reject much of what

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might otherwise stand as valuable ufo

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your interest in instrumentation in

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observation makes you a group perhaps

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ideally suited to convince still

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unrecognized means

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of substituting objective instrumental

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data

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for the present preponderance of

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but i know perhaps

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even better than you

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that none of the above developments has

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a chance of being brought about

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until the negative influence of the

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and that has now become the chief order

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of the day

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in pushing for progress

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on this intriguing

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and unprecedented problem

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of the unidentified

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[Music]

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unidentified scientific objects have

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been one of the great scientific

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bugaboos of the last decade say you've

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seen one and you're ridiculed or at

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least that's the way it used to be

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nowadays while there are still plenty of

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scoffers and jurors

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you're more likely to be listened to and

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an increasing amount of scientific

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investigation is being conducted

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in australia at the moment is professor

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james mcdonald professor of meteorology

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at the university of arizona officially

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he was working for the us navy but in

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his spare time he's checking many

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australian reports of ufos and comparing

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them with american reports

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his aim is to see if the reports tally

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in short whether ufos constitute a

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global phenomenon phenomenon

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in melbourne he's talking with brian

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king

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donald what have you found here that's

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been of use to you

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i've investigated about 50 or 60 cases

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since i came down to new zealand and

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australia extremely interesting ufo

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00:28:26,549 --> 00:28:24,720
sightings a lot of help from local

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investigatory groups in sydney and

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melbourne

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and have found as i uh go through these

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that the type of sightings are

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essentially similar to those in the

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united states

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00:28:43,830 --> 00:28:42,389
persons of really quite high credibility

549
00:28:45,830 --> 00:28:43,840
reporting

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00:28:47,830 --> 00:28:45,840
unconventional objects

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00:28:49,909 --> 00:28:47,840
discs cigar-shaped objects frequently at

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very low elevation

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00:28:55,350 --> 00:28:52,000
hovering over sometimes urban areas

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sometimes over cars following cars

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same kind of

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public reaction quite a quite a strong

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similarity to the american reluctance to

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00:29:07,190 --> 00:29:04,080
report them to official channels because

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of fear of ridicule but behind it all a

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00:29:13,669 --> 00:29:10,000
very large number a very surprisingly

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00:29:15,110 --> 00:29:13,679
large number of these sightings of quite

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00:29:17,830 --> 00:29:15,120
unconventional

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00:29:19,750 --> 00:29:17,840
objects maneuvering in our airspace

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00:29:22,470 --> 00:29:19,760
you have been highly critical of your

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00:29:25,350 --> 00:29:22,480
own government's attitude towards

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ufs indeed indeed i have yes the

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00:29:29,110 --> 00:29:26,799
i've taken a very good look at the

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00:29:31,029 --> 00:29:29,120
american official investigation program

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00:29:32,950 --> 00:29:31,039
project blue book run by the air force

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and i have

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00:29:36,230 --> 00:29:34,720
quite unequivocally described it to

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00:29:38,710 --> 00:29:36,240
scientific colleagues back in the states

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as superficial and incompetent why has

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00:29:41,430 --> 00:29:40,080
the government taken this attitude in

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00:29:43,909 --> 00:29:41,440
your opinion

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00:29:47,750 --> 00:29:43,919
it's uh not a brief story but it goes

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00:29:51,029 --> 00:29:47,760
back to 1953 when a cia

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involved investigation was held

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00:29:54,950 --> 00:29:52,880
as a result of the extremely heavy wave

580
00:29:57,190 --> 00:29:54,960
of sightings in 1952

581
00:29:59,029 --> 00:29:57,200
the cia and air force became so

582
00:30:01,269 --> 00:29:59,039
concerned over the

583
00:30:03,430 --> 00:30:01,279
sheer number of

584
00:30:04,950 --> 00:30:03,440
reports that were tying up american

585
00:30:07,269 --> 00:30:04,960
intelligence channels that they wanted

586
00:30:08,950 --> 00:30:07,279
to get this signal out of the system

587
00:30:11,190 --> 00:30:08,960
asked the air force the cia asked the

588
00:30:13,350 --> 00:30:11,200
air force for a debunking policy the

589
00:30:15,669 --> 00:30:13,360
literal wording was to debunk the flying

590
00:30:17,269 --> 00:30:15,679
saucers to decrease public interest in

591
00:30:19,190 --> 00:30:17,279
the ufos

592
00:30:21,029 --> 00:30:19,200
regulations were promulgated very

593
00:30:22,549 --> 00:30:21,039
shortly that made it a crime

594
00:30:24,149 --> 00:30:22,559
punishable with i think it's ten

595
00:30:26,149 --> 00:30:24,159
thousand dollars fine

596
00:30:28,230 --> 00:30:26,159
and or ten years in prison to release

597
00:30:29,830 --> 00:30:28,240
any information at air base level on

598
00:30:33,510 --> 00:30:29,840
ufos and as a result of that in the

599
00:30:35,590 --> 00:30:33,520
sequence of of steady downgrading uh the

600
00:30:37,430 --> 00:30:35,600
whole problem has been essentially lost

601
00:30:39,190 --> 00:30:37,440
from scientific site in the us and

602
00:30:41,190 --> 00:30:39,200
nothing resembling any scientific

603
00:30:43,430 --> 00:30:41,200
investigation has been going on in the

604
00:30:45,269 --> 00:30:43,440
past 15 years has this been typical of

605
00:30:47,350 --> 00:30:45,279
the attitude of most world governments

606
00:30:48,870 --> 00:30:47,360
as nearly as i can

607
00:30:50,789 --> 00:30:48,880
tell yes

608
00:30:53,430 --> 00:30:50,799
there seems to be quite surprising

609
00:30:56,950 --> 00:30:53,440
similarity between the official russian

610
00:30:58,070 --> 00:30:56,960
british australian canadian american

611
00:31:01,029 --> 00:30:58,080
french

612
00:31:03,190 --> 00:31:01,039
italian pronouncements they all seem to

613
00:31:05,190 --> 00:31:03,200
take the view that there's nothing to it

614
00:31:06,870 --> 00:31:05,200
there's a lot of nonsense that people

615
00:31:09,590 --> 00:31:06,880
see things

616
00:31:11,110 --> 00:31:09,600
and that it is not a real scientific

617
00:31:12,470 --> 00:31:11,120
problem at all and i most hardly

618
00:31:13,509 --> 00:31:12,480
disagree with that

619
00:31:16,310 --> 00:31:13,519
you have

620
00:31:18,789 --> 00:31:16,320
been as fair as the united nations with

621
00:31:20,470 --> 00:31:18,799
this problem yes uh about two three

622
00:31:23,590 --> 00:31:20,480
weeks ago on the seventh of this month

623
00:31:25,669 --> 00:31:23,600
of june nearly a month ago now uh i

624
00:31:27,750 --> 00:31:25,679
spoke to the outer space affairs group

625
00:31:31,029 --> 00:31:27,760
in the united nations urging

626
00:31:32,710 --> 00:31:31,039
uh immediate u.n action on this problem

627
00:31:34,710 --> 00:31:32,720
it seems to me that

628
00:31:37,669 --> 00:31:34,720
the un is one of the best places to

629
00:31:40,070 --> 00:31:37,679
tackle the uh international the global

630
00:31:42,230 --> 00:31:40,080
aspects of the ufo problem and all

631
00:31:43,830 --> 00:31:42,240
evidence now points to its being a truly

632
00:31:46,389 --> 00:31:43,840
global phenomenon

633
00:31:47,750 --> 00:31:46,399
uh utah made a statement at the time

634
00:31:50,149 --> 00:31:47,760
i didn't get to see you taught that was

635
00:31:51,430 --> 00:31:50,159
a busy day june 7th uh in fact i had a

636
00:31:52,870 --> 00:31:51,440
date to see him at four o'clock and if

637
00:31:54,389 --> 00:31:52,880
there was any one hour that was the peak

638
00:31:56,070 --> 00:31:54,399
of the middle east crisis four o'clock

639
00:31:58,789 --> 00:31:56,080
was it so i unfortunately didn't get to

640
00:32:00,950 --> 00:31:58,799
see utah uh but uh quite recently a few

641
00:32:02,470 --> 00:32:00,960
days ago i got a wire from a phone call

642
00:32:03,830 --> 00:32:02,480
from san francisco

643
00:32:05,590 --> 00:32:03,840
pointing out that he had made a

644
00:32:07,990 --> 00:32:05,600
statement

645
00:32:08,870 --> 00:32:08,000
to drew pearson an american columnist

646
00:32:11,350 --> 00:32:08,880
that

647
00:32:13,110 --> 00:32:11,360
aside from the vietnamese war the ufo

648
00:32:15,830 --> 00:32:13,120
problem is the greatest international

649
00:32:17,509 --> 00:32:15,840
problem and i sent him a wire

650
00:32:18,950 --> 00:32:17,519
strongly endorsing his position but

651
00:32:20,789 --> 00:32:18,960
disagreeing with him to the extent of

652
00:32:25,269 --> 00:32:20,799
saying that i believe it's the most

653
00:32:33,909 --> 00:32:26,230
we

654
00:32:35,110 --> 00:32:33,919
very strange situation here for 20 years

655
00:32:37,509 --> 00:32:35,120
plus

656
00:32:39,909 --> 00:32:37,519
uh essentially similar phenomena have

657
00:32:41,509 --> 00:32:39,919
been reported all over the world large

658
00:32:43,590 --> 00:32:41,519
numbers in the u.s

659
00:32:45,750 --> 00:32:43,600
officials ignoring them air forces

660
00:32:47,909 --> 00:32:45,760
ignoring them and yet apparently a

661
00:32:49,750 --> 00:32:47,919
steady increase in the numbers of

662
00:32:51,110 --> 00:32:49,760
reliable reports from people in all

663
00:32:52,710 --> 00:32:51,120
walks of life

664
00:32:54,310 --> 00:32:52,720
seeing these objects that are not

665
00:32:56,870 --> 00:32:54,320
products of our technology they're not

666
00:32:58,710 --> 00:32:56,880
meteorological astronomical phenomena

667
00:33:00,789 --> 00:32:58,720
hovering at low altitude increasing

668
00:33:02,549 --> 00:33:00,799
numbers in urban areas and collectively

669
00:33:05,509 --> 00:33:02,559
we don't know what's going on that's an

670
00:33:07,590 --> 00:33:05,519
extremely unwise situation no matter how

671
00:33:10,470 --> 00:33:07,600
you view it we do not know what is

672
00:33:12,389 --> 00:33:10,480
involved in this problem there are no

673
00:33:14,870 --> 00:33:12,399
strong indications of anything

674
00:33:17,350 --> 00:33:14,880
resembling hostility i see some faint

675
00:33:19,190 --> 00:33:17,360
indications of hazard and danger

676
00:33:21,830 --> 00:33:19,200
but in general to

677
00:33:23,669 --> 00:33:21,840
to have this possibility that the world

678
00:33:25,509 --> 00:33:23,679
is under something resembling

679
00:33:28,070 --> 00:33:25,519
reconnaissance possibly from some

680
00:33:30,710 --> 00:33:28,080
extraterrestrial source and to go on

681
00:33:32,070 --> 00:33:30,720
about our petty ways collectively

682
00:33:33,669 --> 00:33:32,080
doesn't seem to me to be a wise

683
00:33:35,990 --> 00:33:33,679
situation so i'm trying to get

684
00:33:37,830 --> 00:33:36,000
scientists and

685
00:33:40,710 --> 00:33:37,840
governmental uh

686
00:33:43,269 --> 00:33:40,720
agencies to take a look at this at a

687
00:33:45,990 --> 00:33:43,279
highly uh accelerated pace professor

688
00:33:47,669 --> 00:33:46,000
mcdonnell thank you very much

689
00:33:48,630 --> 00:33:47,679
professor mcdonald talking with brian

690
00:33:50,789 --> 00:33:48,640
king

691
00:33:52,470 --> 00:33:50,799
well i've seen a few mysterious objects

692
00:33:54,310 --> 00:33:52,480
in my time in fact i just happen to have

693
00:33:55,669 --> 00:33:54,320
one here with me now

694
00:33:58,470 --> 00:33:55,679
i don't know

695
00:34:02,149 --> 00:33:58,480
whether this gadget qualifies as a a ufo

696
00:34:06,149 --> 00:34:04,389
mainly because it doesn't fly still at